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Nevyn Auscent
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Posted - 2014.04.12 20:43:00 -
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Disappointed Plex are being offered for this event. I feel better rewards would be ship skin options for any of the Caldari ships. As most of those prizes are over a billion isk,
With the total prizes offered being somewhere around 500 Billion isk for the entire event.
I'm also disappointed how once again Logi pilots get left in the dark on an event, despite performing highly important roles for any fleet.
That said, the event itself looks great, just the rewards scheme doesn't |
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Posted - 2014.04.13 05:47:00 -
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RonPaul Rox wrote:
huh?
why would logi go suspect?
Assuming they use NPC actors, the aggression mechanics make Logi go suspect.
If someone shoots a suspect they start a limited engagement.
Repping someone in a limited engagement makes you go suspect regardless of if you also have shot the same person and have a limited engagement also.
This was designed to stop neutral logi being untouchable in wars & duels, so was a good fix overall, but has had the side effect that logi repping someone fighting a suspect end up suspect while the DPS players don't. So in an event like this it punishes logi pilots doubly. Since Logi have no recognition under the prize structure they are promoting, and because Logi go suspect so get shot at by all the scavengers as well. |
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Posted - 2014.04.13 05:57:00 -
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slam34 wrote:
Right......
If CCP gave out solid gold bars, you would complain they were too heavy.
I wouldn't undock a shuttle for a ship skin. Will probably fly logi if I can get to the fight.
This is a massive departure from CCP's normal policy for live events. As the normal policy till now has been no in game rewards. There have been Dev roams that haven't dropped anywhere near this much value in rewards. So yes, I feel the scale of the reward is out of line with their previous behaviour. FIVE HUNDRED BILLION ISK! Seriously.
And the rewards aren't being allocated in a manner that allows everyone a chance. For the low sec ones the big prizes will go to either CFC/PL as the effective entities left who can project caps in number or the local entity if they drop into a system someone has local caps in already. Since the Caps can take the prizes for most damage, & kill shot.
Additionally as has been shown already to be problematic in previous live events, both the structure of the event and agro mechanics punish logi pilots for attending. I say this as someone who normally flies logi also. I turn up, and I get next to no recognition. When the event gives no-one any recognition that's one thing, but when the event is structured to give out FIVE HUNDRED BILLION in pay outs, and as Logi I am punished by agro mechanics making me suspect if it's in high sec, and have no chance at all to get any of those pay outs, I think it's fair enough to say that Logi are getting left in the cold with the design. |
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Posted - 2014.04.13 21:45:00 -
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Joran Sothos wrote:
First, CCP definitely has had in-game rewards for past live events. Think of all those uber nice drops from past dev roams.
Dev roams are not & never have been considered Live Events.
They are Dev roams, a totally different thing with no connection at all to actual game lore. This is the first 'Live Event' offering any real reward at all, and it's a crazy large reward. And as the first event showed, it's going to be gamed by already existing large entities. Credit to them for being organised sure, but they are doing it purely for the rewards which ends up detracting from the event, not adding to it. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 02:15:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:
No plans to mass suspect flag everyone. However, normal crimewatch mechanics apply (so for example, providing remote assistance to a suspect or someone engaged in a limited engagement will give you a suspect flag).
So pretty much if you are logi don't bother turning up to the high sec events unless you love being the target for everyone. *sighs* Since it doesn't matter if you shoot the target first, it still turns you suspect. Even with identical LE's. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:49:00 -
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To further put the plex rewards in proportion. Assuming the T2 Fitting on everything. 15 Chimera + Wyvern = Somewhere in the vicinity of 60 Billion. (I note CCP snuck Meta cap mods in worth about 120-130mil each on their fitting also).
This means that for the rewards being offered they could have bought TEN TIMES the ships they are hunting down.
Really. Stuff like this just ends up looking biased when the rewards are that far out of scale with the value being discussed. Why bother hunting them down, just buy new ships with the plex instead and have a vastly superior fleet as a result. |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:56:00 -
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Elise Randolph wrote:
People aren't getting flagged in highsec, and in lowsec it doesnt matter. You don't have to come if you don't want to - no need to make nonsensical excuses for everyone else v0v
Actually Logi get flagged in highsec due to the agro mechanics even if they have already started a limited engagement with the same targets. So Logi pilots might as well not turn up to any of the highsec events unless they are turning up en mass (Ala a null bloc fleet since no-one else gets Logi en mass). Since they will be shot by everyone on grid pretty much.
It's sad when Low sec is actually safer for logi in an event than high sec. |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:14:00 -
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alphastarpilot wrote:You know all you people complaining about PL winning all the prizes, why don't you form a massive fleet of people in a cohesive doctrine with a competent FC and actually fight them for it. Sounds way more fun than complaining about if on the forums. And even if you lose to them at least you tried. Better than warping a kitchen sink gang into their fleet and wondering why you got owned.
Seriously I hope some people have the balls to do this. It would make the next lowsec events much more fun.
It's almost like the null entities have built up a life of their own which simply makes them unmatchable. Every major null entity that has gone down in the last five years has gone down to internal sabotage. Or 'bugs' which look very much like internal sabotage to the rest of us.
However if you bother reading the complaints it is not about PL 'winning'. It is about CCP setting up a massive prize pool in an environment where it's well known that one of the existing super powers will game the system to ensure they get the lions share of the prize pool, in a total departure from their previous live events policy of not giving rewards on live events.
The prize pool here is far larger than the time they spawned officer mod dropping NPC's, that one agency grabbed. And the same thing is happening again. A massive prize pool set up in such a way that the system can be gamed. And you are surprised people are upset over the fact it's gameable and that only the existing super powers have the capacity to game it? |
Nevyn Auscent
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Posted - 2014.04.15 05:23:00 -
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Oh look, another person who fails to read.
It's not about PL winning.
It's about CCP breaking from standard and creating a massive payout in a system that obviously can be gamed.
What if instead of PLEX these were T2 BPO's being given out.
In an environment that everyone knows one of the big powers is going to get it.
Then it 'happens' to be conveniently near their territory...
Is this starting to ring any bells with people?
Now sure it may not be any kind of conspiracy. But it's yet another terrible judgement by CCP surrounding live events. Even if the event itself is working mostly well this time, it's still a tainted event because of the massive volume of the prize package.
They quite simply did not need to give rewards on this scale. Especially when they have been against rewards in the past, and specifically talked about the need to keep rewards for live events small when discussion has previously come up. |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 09:27:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:So they should keep these events in highsec? Because if they put it anywhere in null it's going to "happen" to be near a nullsec power. Better PL then Goons I guess.
Nothing wrong with it happening in low or null, as long as there isn't some massive reward for said entity to game.
Most people would have still turned up with literally no reward on the line. A small reward isn't out of order either. It's the magnitude. CCP put 500 Billion on offer for this...... that's enough to buy the ships they are dropping for the event at least five times over, even if we include all the sub caps they are deploying since they are T2 fit. If that was more like 5 Billion total reward, then I wouldn't have a single issue. If someone wants to game an event risking 10 billion worth of Navy Battleships for maybe 750 Million reward, sure let them. But when it's 30+ Billion they are potentially gaining in reward for a single deployment, that's different. |
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Nevyn Auscent
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Posted - 2014.04.15 22:23:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Jandice Ymladris wrote: In short, a case of: stop complaining PL claims all, go out and do something about it! No, we like complaining. We want free/easy no risk PLEX. 
No, we don't want stupidly high levels of prizes for live events that make it profitable for PL even if they loose every single ship in their fleet as long as they get the prize. Todays event, over 50 BILLION! in plex prizes. |
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:04:00 -
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Ichinumi Tsukaya wrote:Silvia Remington i second your post and critiques, especially the T2 gear part.
Also it is very hard to rp as a CPD loyalist assisting if I cannot rep remote boost their shields in highsec. i know i'd get nowhere by firing a few volleys in high at some poor CEP lackey. CCP Logibro mentioned in Live Events that each day it escalates, is there a chance that for the next two CCP will allow us to logi for the CPD?
You can Remote rep them, you will just get a suspect flag just like anyone will if they rep another suspect or someone engaged in a limited engagement. You aren't going to get to rep a suspect while being safe from being shot at yourself. Just bring enough logi to rep yourselves as well if you get shot. |
Nevyn Auscent
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:09:00 -
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flakeys wrote:
So CCP killed playerships then as you call it a battle/fight ?
Yes, CCP do actually shoot back in these events. |
Nevyn Auscent
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Posted - 2014.04.21 00:00:00 -
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Or the people with the KM's haven't uploaded them. CCP don't link the Dev actors, which would make sure they hit the killboards. So it's up to the players to get them on the killboards. |
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